Kinfolk in Packs/Sept positions prior to apocalypse

[Exogenesis]

Because this has come up in a challenge I want to let everyone know:

No matter how progressive your previous sept was no Kinfolk would have held an official sept position or been part of an official Garou pack. Sorry if we missed something in your backstories/timelines/profiles about it, but if you had something like this for your character please update accordingly.